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Grape Juice and God’s Judgement

[Our time of ‘communion’ is] a time to commune with Christ, not just through the elements, but in our relationships with each other.  This is true communion:  Partaking symbolically and spiritually of His death through the elements, but also participating in His life and body by being in loving relationship with the Church.

There are far too many religious myths and old wives tales floating around out there which only serve to keep us terrified of a God who simply wants to share His life and love with us.  Our Greek inspired, Pagan view of the Father has made Him into an entity who can make even grape juice and bad crackers look like instruments of terror.

There are far too many religious myths and old wives tales floating around out there which only serve to keep us terrified of a God who simply wants to share His life and love with us.

Jeff

http://soundofawakening.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/grape-juice-bread-he-judgement-of-god/

I think the fear so many feel from even looking at this subject with any sort of objectiveness is real and should be respected. I myself have read all the books about both sides (well, lots of them), been a christian for 40 yrs, gone to bible college, had the full gamut of teaching from every corner of christendom, and I can’t escape a few glaring facts that refuse to go away no matter how much theology I throw at them.

The biggest one (which I posted on Facebook the other day) in a nutshell, is something along the lines of: why would God create billions of precious people in his very image, out of his heart of love, knowing full well that most of them would end up in unbearable, horrific torture for eternity with no hope of reconciliation? It not only makes no sense but makes God out to be a tyrant more cruel than any human could possibly be, let alone want to be! He has put his heart of love in each of us – we know what love is, he describes his own character in 1Cor 13. So its not only impossible to think that God would just say “oh well, you lost your chance – off to hell with you and no chance of redemption”, it is incomprehensible, and loathsome on any level. We to easily fob it off by saying His ways are higher than ours and other stuff about his justice being pure etc, but how come our standards are higher than His?

So where does that leave us? I have wrestled with this for years, and my passion for Jesus has only grown as I discover more and more of his grace. As I let more of His love fill me this question becomes a bigger issue, something I can’t just cover up with a bunch inconsistent scriptures. I’m not afraid to be wrong! But God gave me a brain and a heart, that I have used with as much integrity as I can muster. Something is wrong with this picture – and I think its time we stopped burying our heads in dogma and had sensible discussions knowing that we can trust Holy Spirit in each other!

Posted by Jim Marjoram at 12/09/2011 01:51:00 PM
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Neither Do I Condemn You…

by Jeff Pate on Monday, August 15, 2011 at 7:00am

And Jesus said to her, Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more. —John 8:11

I want to set you free today in the one thing that has kept mankind from enjoying eternal life, union with God through Jesus, and all His benefits now, today, in this present world—and this is in the matter of condemnation.

My brothers and sisters, God is not in the business of condemning you or anyone. It is neither in His nature or His will to condemn anyone. The scripture says, “God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.” [1 John 1:5]

If there is no condemnation in Christ, then there is no condemnation in the Father because whatsoever is in the Father is in Christ, and whatsoever is in Christ is in the Father.

When Adam and Eve fell in the garden, did Father condemn them? No, they were condemned by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil—the law of sin and death. In fact, instead of condemning them, Father sacrificed an animal in a picture of the redemption of Jesus to cover their shame so they would not fear Him.

Please hear this: Father does not want you to fear Him. His desire is for you to see that in Christ you are eternally united with Him, and your relationship is not based on anything you have done, but upon what Jesus has done. You can look God directly in the face of Jesus Christ with all boldness and assurance of faith. There is no fear in love, and perfect love casts out fear.

“But what about when I sin?” you may ask.

When your conscience condemns you for something you’ve done or said, it is not God who is condemning. It is not the Spirit telling you how wrong you were. We have the assurance that God is never going to condemn us because God is greater than our conscience. The scripture says, “For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart and knows all things.” [1 John 3:19]

Let me tell you what Jesus has done to sin: Jesus was publicly crucified, condemned, and cursed in the view of the entire world to demonstrate that God is not going to condemn you because all condemnation from Adam’s transgression of eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the penalty of the law—the ministry of death and condemnation—fell upon Him. Father wants you to see Jesus crucified, condemned so that you will no longer be condemned.

Romans 8:3 says, “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

Because it was weak through the flesh, the law could not condemn sin, but only the sinner. God has never condemned anyone, but the law did condemn them, which is why Jesus was condemned as the sin bearer and therefore, God condemned sin in the body of His Son, that righteousness would be fulfilled in us.

There is no condemnation to you because of Jesus. Do not think that God is condemning you, for condemnation comes from the law of sin and death; and you have been set free from the law of sin and death. You can rest knowing that there is no condemnation to you, and that Jesus says to you, “Neither do I condemn you…”

 

http://www.bovministries.net/TruthAtFirstLight.html

 

Truth at First Light © Copyright Jeff Pate, 2011

From Jim Marjoram once more. Awesome short piece:

Theology…

I’m not against theology, working out the nitty gritty of scriptures etc, but its only a secondary thing, its not the real issue. The entirety of the gospel is simple and it embraces the heart of a God who IS love – every part of his being is love. Jesus is the physical embodiment of that love and the more we embrace that, the more we bathe in His amazing unconditional acceptance, look into His face, lean on his breast and hear His heartbeat, see the wonders of His creation, experience His comfort in the midst of devastation – we realise that our efforts at trying to piece together who he is by scripture alone, fail miserably. Jesus said it was far better that He go so we could have the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, God IN us, creating our unity with the entire Godhead. We are privy to the heart of Father now, by the amazing redemptive work of Jesus. This alone gives us our understanding of Gods nature, our hearts witness to it, and scripture supports it, not the other way around.

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