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If we are really spirits, as some teach, what’s the point of having a body? To learn something? No! If we already existed, with God, as some say, then what’s to learn? That is religion talking.

Even if God creates our spirit when we are born, again, what’s the point? If we are really spirits, why do we need to live in a body and then die? If it’s to learn something, then again, that is religion talking.

Think, people. The Bible does not support this. Other religions support it, and other religions have some truth about God, but this is not one of those truths. I thought maybe it was. I thought about it, followed it through, and the only reason to suppose that we are spirits is so we continue on after death. But that thinking is flawed.

The Hebrew thought was that you die and sleep in the grave until awakened. Then some pagan thought crept in, and the Jews began to believe in a hidden place where all spirits waited for the resurrection. But it was always resurrection. Not floating off to heaven and dancing on streets of gold, seeing all your loved ones who made it in, and being immediately with the Lord.

And God help those who didn’t make it to heaven, who never ‘invited Jesus into their hearts’ or who never even heard of Him. Apparently it’s OK with most Christians is three fourths of all the people who have ever lived will be in the eternal conscious torment of hell.

Which begs the question of how is a spirit tormented? Or if it’s heaven, what do spirits wear? Spirit clothes? How do you see other? Spirit eyes? And if that’s what it’s all about, why did we to live in corruptible bodies? Why bother? Which is what I was asking at the beginning.

So, my conclusion is that we are living souls. We have something called a spirit, whatever that is. When we die, it goes back to God who gave it. The word for spirit is wind, breath, air. Not ghost or apparition. Why didn’t the writers use those words? Just saying.


Big Tent

We have heard this:

2 Corinthians 5:6 (KJV) –  Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

But it really means this:

2 Corinthians 5:1-9 (The Message Bible) 

For instance, we know that when these bodies of ours are taken down like tents and folded away, they will be replaced by resurrection bodies in heaven — God-made, not handmade — and we’ll never have to relocate our “tents” again. 

Sometimes we can hardly wait to move — and so we cry out in frustration. Compared to what’s coming, living conditions around here seem like a stopover in an unfurnished shack, and we’re tired of it! We’ve been given a glimpse of the real thing, our true home, our resurrection bodies!

 (The Spirit of God whets our appetite by giving us a taste of what’s ahead. He puts a little of heaven in our hearts so that we’ll never settle for less.) 

That’s why we live with such good cheer. You won’t see us drooping our heads or dragging our feet! Cramped conditions here don’t get us down. They only remind us of the spacious living conditions ahead.

 It’s what we trust in but don’t yet see that keeps us going. Do you suppose a few ruts in the road or rocks in the path are going to stop us? When the time comes, we’ll be plenty ready to exchange exile for homecoming.

 But neither exile nor homecoming is the main thing. Cheerfully pleasing God is the main thing, and that’s what we aim to do, regardless of our conditions.

The literal says this:

2 Corinthians 5:6 (Young’s Literal) – having courage, then, at all times, and knowing that being at home in the body, we are away from home from the Lord, –

 What we know is that everything is context. And we also know that Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us. So we are not away, or absent, from Him. This is a direct contradiction to what we have been told this verse says.

What is true is that we are not yet in our resurrection bodies, which He will give us. This verse does not mean that when we die, we go to heaven to be with Him.

What is this idea that all people on the planet are “in” Christ and only need to ‘wake up’ and know who they are (which is what so many are teaching these days)?

The second Adam (Jesus) is a quickening spirit. You aren’t quickened unless and until you believe. If you don’t believe, you wait for the resurrection.

The Greek word translated “in” is “en” and means in, by, with, etc., a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest.

There is an entirely different word that means “into”, as in “inside of”. Christ is not literally in anyone. He ascended bodily and is at the right hand of God. He sent us the Holy Spirit to be with us and indwell us. And when the spirit came upon anyone, then as now, there was evidence. It was an action, an event.

I submit that most translations, and I’ve yet to find one that differs, have gotten this wrong. The word “in” should be “by” or “with”, especially since English makes little distinction regarding the word “in”. It does not always mean “inside of” but that’s how we usually read it.

When God poured out His spirit on all flesh, it means that it was poured out on everyone who believes, comes to Him, and so on. Before Pentecost, the spirit was only upon individuals for a purpose, and then it left. Now it’s freely given.

No where in the book of Acts do we read anything about everyone having the Holy Spirit, or Christ. Quite the opposite, in fact. People had to hear the gospel and believe.

It is true that through Christ, God reconciled all things. Now that all things are reconciled and sin is taken away, all people have access to God, are able turn to Him, and believe about Jesus, and so on.

The Holy Spirit draws and calls all. Some come. But the vast majority of humanity will not ever hear, and will only see their Creator on that resurrection day. Because of the finished work of Christ, this is possible. Truly, no one comes but because of Him.

If Christ is present in everyone on the planet, there is little evidence of it. No scriptural basis for it. I have had issues with this idea for years and I still do.

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