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THAT WORD WRATH.. what does it mean.. ?

by Joe Black (Notes) on Friday, May 10, 2013 at 7:25pm

That Word Wrath…what does it mean?

Many have rejected the word “wrath,” for which I don’t blame them, as presented to us through the church, we were made to think God hated his very own creation,  and can still do so…that misconception developed out of Judaism, and much of the OT darkness of man’s minds  found in all religions..  and established  in the church…through the lie of Penal Substitution Atonement teaching and that came of Anshelm largely built upon Augustine’s misunderstandings.. who was still apparently thinking God hated him, as if the things he had done or was doing.. was His Identity.. when it wasn’t.. .CHRIST WAS AND IS…. ..

God is love.. pure love.. and pure love is from which we were created  and all creation came forth and IN PERFECT LOVE…. and that has never changed.. the word “orge” means the passion of God, GOD IS AGAPE…..yes, LOVE is passionately in love with us all and that love can quite be misperceived and misunderstood.. when it is thought to be God against mankind… IT IS NOT….

His love is a violent PASSIONATE love for us, at all times.. passionate and full of mercy and grace.. so in our ignorance while we believed God did not love us.. all the while LOVE was.. and the things that we made our perceptions about us, and Him/Her WHO IS LOVE…. that were outside of us based on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were misperceptions…. .Law was not given to strengthen our carnal minds or perceptions but to break it all down… We perceived or thought that LOVE was against us and not for us..(IN OUR MINDS WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT LOVE COULD HATE..) this is the wrath in which the church has come to believe in as if God hates and must extract blood from someone in order to love us..

IT WAS GOD IN CHRIST.. conciliating the world .. UNTO HIMSELF.. not God outside of Yeshua, beating the crap out of His Son..  It wasn’t God that needed to judge something.. it was man that thinks he did.. So God said here is my heart and do with what you will and so MAN JUDGED MAN..

This BELIEF of God has to have something killed and presented as a blood sacrifice.. is nothing more then pagan religions going way back in time. in their use.. of sacrifice of both human and animal.. thinking that god or their gods could be appeased.. LOVE NEEDS NO APPEASEMENT.. LOVE JUST IS…… and it is totally out of line with the Truth and Perfect believe such garbage… . it is ill conceived from the minds of those, who yet have not realized the TREE OF LIFE (Christ, God, Spirit- Love) IS IN THEM..

THIS LOVE, CHRIST IS OUR REALITY…OUR LIFE.. but until we realize that passionate love for us and in us…. and that it is against anything other then the creature.. MANKIND, HIS CREATION.. anything other that comes between our understanding relationship with that of our Father who His Perfect and Pure Love (AGAPE).

This love is always toward never ending,  that love  which is already in us, and as us.. then individuals will continue to look to the circumstances of life outside of themselves, as if Perfect Pure Love was against them or even schizophrenic.. “he loves me, he loves me not”……. but if God be for you, who or what can be against you.. nothing can separate us from who He is, LOVE.

For it is His passionate love.. FIRE.. that Yeshua said.. “ALL” will be salted by Fire.. Our God is a consuming fire..  IT BURNS UP ALL THAT STANDS BETWEEN YOU AND LOVE…but not YOU.. as the object of that LOVE.. ALL come out on the other side of this passionate love with understanding.. ., it is his “Touchstone” (that seems as torment for us.. while we don’t know and understand yet this LOVE..and it is.. because Christ and you ARE ONE….. that brings out the gold (Wisdom and Understanding.. Christ YOUR LIFE REALIZED)…

That word torment in Revelations is (BASANIZO) it is of a corrective nature not is PASSIONATE LOVE FOR US AND TOWARD US.. until we realize that LOVE IS ALL THERE IS….The Christ in us.. is unveiled..

That which is LOVE..  is against the very *thing that keeps us from understanding that relationship, *(anything that gives us a double-mind) yes, even and especially religion.. no matter in whatever form or any kind…Love is not and never against YOU..

IT IS FOR YOU…..  that nature and essence of what God is – PURE, ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT LOVE  and who we are.. the very Sons of God..  THE SEED CHRIST SON OF GOD IS THE SEED WHICH IS OUR LIFE.. even from the beginning.. even before LOVE.. said Let there BE LIGHT.. and the LIGHT WAS PREFERRED OVER THE DARKNESS… and that Light is the light that comes into the world and light every man..

LOVE IS NEVER AGAINST THE OBJECT OF HIS LOVE.. which IS YOU…..The carnal mind is at enmity with God. that thought of mankind that thinks it is or has been separated from PERFECT LOVE….. and Passionate Love is establishing in your thoughts.. that WORD , we all have called out or will call out sooner or later… Abba ..  help me.. and a father WHO IS LOVE .. never turns down the request of HIS SON.. Christ (HIS LIFE-OUR LIFE)..

The fire gets turned down… you could say at least it seems in our mis-perceptions that God must hate me.. .. because now you know this love.. that all this time.. was coming to us.. not to destroy us.. or torture us.. but to release us into that love WHICH IS…YOU AND CHRIST….ONE….

Perfect Love (AGAPE) seeks your best, never kept account of wrong…. but it doesn’t rejoice in any evil. nor does PERFECT LOVE call its children evil.. whatever would keep you from understanding GOD IS LOVE….and your complete and EXISTING ALREADY absolute identity- ONENESS WITH CHRIST).. His everlasting and forever LOVE FOR HIS HUMANITY WAS ALWAYS THERE beating down the door of ignorance.. passionately……… death is the last enemy.. and Christ victoriously arose..

Christ has risen in all of us.. If Christ died for all.. then ALL DIED.. If Christ be alive.. then Christ is OUR LIFE….Christ is the LAST ADAM.. the LIFE GIVING SPIRIT…(God breathed the BREATH OF LIFE into MANKIND) His Spirit, and our Spirit. ARE ONE…yet men didn’t perceive that and many do not yet.. but truth is truth.. whether you believe it or not..

THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING WORD IS IN YOU ) Christ- “perfect love- “..  for we are One.. don’t mistake the things in life, that happen as if God was against you, don’t judge against the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.. but see HIS LOVE IS THE TREE OF LIFE that you hungered for was already there IN YOU…… HE HAS ALWAYS AND PASSIONATELY LOVED HIS CHILDREN.. and WE.. “ALL” .. ARE THE OFFSPRING OF PERFECT LOVE.. ie…..GOD IS LOVE….never is  or was GOD- PURE LOVE -HATE..IMPOSSIBLE…. no matter what you think.. the TRUTH IS… GOD IS LOVE….pure and unconditional love..

AGAPE doesn’t need your recognition (not self-seeking) but it is WE THAT NEED TO KNOW… WHO WE ARE.. and WE AREN’T WHAT WE DO.. BUT WHO WE ARE IN HIM…it is we that as sheep that had all gone astray.. God never left to go anywhere.. HE COULDN’T LEAVE.. CHRIST WAS IN US…..the secret hidden throughout the ages,, now revealed.. .  love so GIVES because that is ALL IT CAN DO… love will not quit.. loving.. because Love never fails.. whether one realizes LOVE IS.. and that we are the object of that LOVE in our UNION WITH CHRIST.. established before the foundation of the world or we don’t..

PASSIONATE LOVE “orge” will always be present toward YOU.. HIS EXTREMELY PASSIONATE LOVE..mistaken for hate.. until you finally rest.. in that love.. and nothing else.. WHERE YOU FINALLY REALIZE .. CHRIST ALL IN ALL – GOD ALL IN ALL

Awake to the Love that is toward you and in you… that abides forever more…. and whatever stands between you knowing that.. it will soon disappear… and be eliminated..abolished in your life..  and the Christ who is your life.. will soon appear in YOU.. and AS YOU.. One Spirit.. One Life..




Please.. never see the word wrath again.. as if GOD COULD EVER HATE YOU…. or ANYONE.. we are the object of LOVE AS CHRIST.. and shall always BE….  whether we experience His violent love (which shakes both heaven and earth- those things temporal) or love in peace.(those things of the new heaven and earth- the permanent)  LOVE NEVER FAILS..  LOVE NEVER RETURNED TO GOD VOID.. because it can’t.. LOVE IS.. There is no other thing.. in heaven, earth or under the earth.. then LOVE….GOD IS ALL IN ALL..

Shalom… I have peace that passes all understanding.. THE PEACE OF LOVE….(GOD)… “I AM”…
One with the Father and the Son…  ONE SPIRIT (GOD), ONE LIFE (CHRIST), ONE LORD (OUR EXISTENCE)..


Blessings.. LOVERS.. WE ARE LOVED.. COMPLETELY and there is no shadow of turning..

Grace and Truth be unto you…  in Christ Jesus.. our Lord.. (our existence..)

AIN’T LOVE … GOOD… hmm… hmmm .. good..

– Joe Black



And Moses saw a bush that burned, but was not consumed….


God is described as a consuming fire, yet He spoke out of the bush, which was not consumed. But Moses was consumed – by God.

On the road to Emmaus, Jesus began walking with the disciples, and he explained the scriptures concerning him. Later, they remembered that their hearts had burned within them at his words.

Grace is the divine influence on the heart. It is a gift that each believer has been given. It is our fire.

We are no longer taught by the law of Moses. We may have been the law is our guide, but it death. That law was done away by the death of Jesus. Neither are we any longer are guided by the form of law that all people know, which is part of the human nature, and operates by deciding right and wrong, good and evil.

Grace is our teacher, and it teaches us godliness. Grace. Not rules. Not sermons. Not the next conference or prophetic word or worship school.  Our hearts are aflame with the grace of God.

When we live by grace, our lives will begin to look like the fruit of the spirit. You know, love, peace, joy, patience. And our lives will begin to look like God’s love, which is described in the ‘love’ chapter. Love is kind, not selfish, seeks no harm, always hopes and believes the best.

As we are consumed by the flame of grace in our hearts, we will be in relationship with God and with each other. Love will be our guide and our hallmark. This is true New Testament life, not some pie in the sky dream.

There are no rules engraved on stone or written in ink, and neither is there condemnation, nor damnation. It’s over. It’s finished. Only learning remains, falling down, getting back up, and walking with God, leaving the old behind. There will be a zest for life and freedom from bondage.

We are made to hear God and walk with Him. As He becomes more familiar than what we’ve known, there will be no end to the wonders we will find. The familiar and the structured dampen the flame, but the fresh air of liberty fans it.

Be free. Let grace consume you. Learn again to laugh and love and be who you are.

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