I cannot accept the theology that says God breaks us to make us whole. We are whole because of the cross. Jesus never broke a bruised reed or quenched a smoking wick. He was the exact representation of God to us. He never told anyone that He would heal them after they learned a lesson. He never told anyone that tragedy happened in order to teach them something (remember the tower of Siloam).
I can understand enduring great hardship and thinking God must be allowing it, or even brought it, for a purpose. But Jesus did not model that. He said instead the we would have trouble in this world, but He has overcome the world. He came to destroy the work of the devil. And then He told us to go into the world and bring that kind of kingdom to the people. To be ministers of reconciliation.
What kind of kingdom? One where wholeness is the goal. One that operates from God’s heart of grace. One that models love and all the fruit of the spirit. One that heals, mends, lifts up, and walks along side. One that is diametrically opposed to the works of the devil, and doesn’t confuse his works with God’s ways. This is the new covenant mindset.
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May 7, 2012 at 4:33 pm
savedbygrace
amazing….
even an evil Father does not starve their sons but rather give them fish and bread
even an ‘evil’ Father knows how to give ‘good’ gifts
– grace and peace
May 7, 2012 at 5:07 pm
loveaskswhy
Totally agree. That is sick theology! I like this better! : ) :
Romans 5; 3-5 There’s more to come: We continue to shout our praise even when we’re hemmed in with troubles, because we know how troubles can develop passionate patience in us, and how that patience in turn forges the tempered steel of virtue, keeping us alert for whatever God will do next. In alert expectancy such as this, we’re never left feeling shortchanged. Quite the contrary—we can’t round up enough containers to hold everything God generously pours into our lives through the Holy Spirit!
May 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm
PatHux
AMEN! I recently heard an awful story about the ‘good’ shepherd breaks the legs of staying lambs to keep the from harm. It is nuts. And here is a very good response to that one:
http://www.rockymountainministries.org/mythbusters/17-mythbusters/54-myth-31-the-good-shepherd-breaks-the-legs-of-wayward-sheep-to-keep-them-close-to-himself-myth-31-the-good-shepherd-breaks-the-legs-of-wayward-sheep-to-keep-them-close-to-himself.html
May 7, 2012 at 5:16 pm
loveaskswhy
OMG! That comes from a sick mind! Imagine the lives their children have!
May 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm
savedbygrace
pat,
thank you for providing that link.I have been looking for an article like that.
my previous pastor taught that the Shepherd breaks the sheep’s legs to teach the sheep some lesson.
well, that pastor now has been labelled a cult. I am glad God pulled me out of that church long long time ago.
May 7, 2012 at 7:54 pm
PatHux
The Holy Spirit gives us those nudges. I’m glad you felt them!
Don Francisco is a musician who came out of the Jesus movement. I always liked him, and when I found what he has to say on his site, I like him even more. He is a grace man.
May 7, 2012 at 8:36 pm
savedbygrace
haven’t heard his music yet, i’ll definitely check it out. I am a musician too.
His myth # articles are so good…
i am putting up an article. I wanted to submit some myths too in his site.
awesome.. thanks bro.
May 7, 2012 at 8:40 pm
PatHux
He has some music on his site I think, and some can be found on youtube. and I’m gonna have to change my pic again, lol. Take a look at my profile, lol…..
May 7, 2012 at 10:11 pm
savedbygrace
lol.. your pic is fantastic!
but it seems my tree is bigger than your carrier? or cruise ship? lol
May 7, 2012 at 10:12 pm
savedbygrace
The Steeple Song by Don Francisco..
I am so loving it!
He made my day. I am laughing so hard now.
May 7, 2012 at 10:16 pm
PatHux
Washington State ferry….. crossing from Seattle….
May 7, 2012 at 10:21 pm
savedbygrace
oh. did you took that shot?
for some reason I got reminded of Glen Kaiser when I hear Don Francisco. im trying to browse more of his music in youtube. im picking favorites.
May 7, 2012 at 10:16 pm
savedbygrace
i just finished listening to it. wow… it is full of truths. practical stuff that most Christians have missed out